Typically, I work with leaders and churches who are motivated to strive toward new realities. This creates something of an illusion for me in terms of how bad the crisis is in most churches. However, in the last year, I started working more with judicatories, where churches are assigned or suggested to Epicenter Group. In these experiences I come to see things more the way the average Methodist superintendent sees things: where the vast majority of churches are late life cycle with a closing window of opportunity for renewal.